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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

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last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

DATA-Dog

Thank you for your post and the daily text too. My decision to text my nephews was quite spontaneous. I never did it before, except for my niece. They all are fine people surrounded by equally fine people. I strongly believe that they and most of their friends would be great people even without religion. They are young and intelligent, fairly educated and have access to the internet. My niece actually majored in child psichology (don't ask why she can't perceive the cognitive dissonance!!!!) I believe that they will see the light one day. Time will tell. My job is done; I should not insist on this type of communications for the sake of familiy harmony. I should point out that in my exchange I made sure to write that "I could prove with facts and evidence that the WT lies deliberately". That statement should plant some doubt. My nephews know that, despite of my lack of religion, I have demonstrated to be a "worldly" person in good standing with all JW's who know me, possibly hundreds. Even the replacement of the C.O. and congregation top elder in one of the local circuits in So Cal wrote to me in an email that he heard that I was a "good man" at dinner conversations with my brothers, who happened to be the parents of the nephews/niece mentioned above.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

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last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

In fairness to at least one of my nephews, he thought that the daily text was about humility to those "carrying the heavy load". He got offended for my suggesting that the text was likely about preemptively making the elders swallow the new light and my adding that most JW's won't even care or notice the new light.

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Depressing Census Statistics on Religion

by jwfacts in

... depressing if you are the governing body that is.. the australian census figures from 2011 are available.

this is taken every 5 years, and i have been doing a comparison over the last 15 year period.

for 2001 and 2006 the number of jw's fell in australia, but this time it has risen, which jws may find encouraging.

never a jw

Damn those Godless people. How dare they use reason, facts and evidence to support their argument!

Thanks JWacts for your hard work.

Julia, you are right, and I must add that "no religion" must include even christians who prefer not to be affiliated to any denomination. I believe that was the case of the existentialist philosopher Kierkegaard.

I read in another post that you like history. You may be interested in a book by Carl Olof Jonsson that connects history to JW's flawed doctrines of doom. Remember the signs: earthquakes, famine, wars, plagues. He deals with that issue just as well he did in "the Gentile Times Reconsidered" The book "The Signs of the Last Days, When" is hard to find, but I got my copy from a library in California.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

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last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

Here's the daily text that started it all:

Jehovah will make known who belongs to him.-Num. 16:5. Korah lost sight of the fact that Jehovah was directing the nation of Israel and consequently failed to show loyalty to those whom God was using. How much wiser it would have been for Korah to wait on Jehovah for a clearer understanding or for adjustments if those were really needed. So in the end, Korah destroyed his record of faithful service by his prideful actions! (Num. 16:1-34) That account provides a serious warning for elders and others in the congregation today. Waiting on Jehovah and following directions from those appointed to take the lead requires humility. Do we show that we are as humble and mild-tempered as Moses was? Can we acknowledge the position of those taking the lead among us and submit to directions we receive? Are we able to rise above our personal feelings when faced with disappointments? If so, we too will be known favorably by Jehovah. Our humility and submission will endear us to him. w11 9/15 5:12, 15, 16

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

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friends

last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

Last Thursday I was propmpted by a recent thread to read the Daily Text (Feb 28, 2013). I then had the audacity to send a text message to all four JW's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's). I offered my opinion by summarizing it "Put and Shut up". Later, quite spontaneously, I suggested in another text that the daily text must be a preemptive notice to elders that may be troubled by the "new light" revealed in the last annual meeting (the one about FDS). To make a long story short these are some of the answers I got:

Niece (28 y.o) Nothing, she knows that I am a de facto "apostate".

Nephew 1 (26 y.o.) "I am not being reacting [sic] over defensively. Just giving you some advice as well. "Apostates" would be slightly more successful if they change their methods. They all seem so angry and unpleasant people to be with or listen to"

Nephew 2 (24 y.o.) " If I am happily living my life in a way that is healthy and good...Please don't text me regarding these things. I am not offended. I am just puzzled as to why my own relative would try to rob me of my bliss..."

Nephew 3 (23 y.o.) "I respect your point of views uncle, but any info you got coming from who knows where wont change what I believe in and I don't want to hear about it, again, with all due respect"

The answer that strikes me as unexpected is Nephew 2. It's like revealing to a child that Santa Claus is not real. The difference is that the child is, well, a child, and my nephew is 24 years old. I interpret his answer as "let me continue to believe in Santa because it makes me happy" Yeap. It's sad, but they are like children.

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40 years on - and still in Damage Control mode!

by Bungi Bill in

earlier this morning, i posted off to the the institute of engineers an application for membership as an "engineering associate":.

- today being just over 40 years since the congregation's retards elders made me abandon my apprenticeship.. (in this part of the world, the pre-1975 hype was taken to that level.

not being content to prevent young persons attending university, they went one step further and treated with hostility any youngster who would "tie up five years of their lives" by entering into an apprenticeship.

never a jw

Best Wishes for you Bill and damn those anti higher education idiots at the WT

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greatest show on earth

by unstopableravens in

i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

to be honest my mind has been on my family.

i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

never a jw

CA

Man created God and then "God" created man. That's the right order.

Morals/morality are just a set a rules created by the strong to control the weak (leaders versus led). At a practical level, they work OK for me to create some degree of cooperation and harmony when you live in a community. Maybe that's where the concept of civilization comes from. Morals is a diversion from natural selection. Civilization and morals work well for a while, until it's time for natural selection to continue its inexorable course, which "God" can't do squat to stop.

By the way CA, you can sell me a god, just don't try to sell me the god of the Jews (Bible). That god has all the bad traits of a very flawed human.

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JWs in the UK: 27 years of yearbook stats and stagnation

by 88JM in

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okay, so i went on a bit of a statistics binge after looking at poland.

i thought i would have a look at my home country's yearbook stats here in the uk (britain).. so here they are for your consideration.

had to go into the loft for some of the older yearbooks, and found some other older publications too.. nothing too remarkable as such here, as far as i can see, apart from:.

never a jw

"There's three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics [especially when coming from the WT]" Mark Twain, I think

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JWs in the UK: 27 years of yearbook stats and stagnation

by 88JM in

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friends

okay, so i went on a bit of a statistics binge after looking at poland.

i thought i would have a look at my home country's yearbook stats here in the uk (britain).. so here they are for your consideration.

had to go into the loft for some of the older yearbooks, and found some other older publications too.. nothing too remarkable as such here, as far as i can see, apart from:.

never a jw

Compared with most other denominations JWs are doing pretty well.

How many other denominations are spending 6,000 plus hours to get one soul baptized?

Villagegirl,

I agree, even though the numbers got worse, they are not representative of reality. Too many in-but-not-in in the congregations, and many new rules skew the numbers to make them look better than they really are.

Jgnat,

As a non religious nut, I can say that I like your graph. People are waking up. R. Dawkins must be happy

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greatest show on earth

by unstopableravens in

i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

to be honest my mind has been on my family.

i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

never a jw

James Brown

"The science that says the earth is 4.5 billion years old is psuedoscience."

Your credentials are??? Your years of study in geology are????? The university where you got your advanced degree is???? How many years of research?? Any awards, Nobel Prize maybe???

Quite interesting. or rather depressing, to see how people side with the "faith" method which stagnated human knowledge for almost 2,000 years and still have the chutzpa to attack the scientific method, which in a very short time has given us airplanes, cars, computers, spaceships, knowledge about the universe and the earth, cell phones, life saving drugs, longer lives, GPS, etc, etc, etc, etc. Then, if not science, what do we owe to the Bible? Morals? I doubt it, Asian religions/cultures develop strong moral values without the help of the "Holly Book".